[WSSSPE] {Disarmed} Re: {Disarmed} Re: WSSSPE4
Simon Hettrick
s.hettrick at software.ac.uk
Fri Feb 19 11:11:09 PST 2016
Hello,
I was talking with Dan on Tuesday about co-hosting WSSSPE with the UK's
first Research Software Engineering Conference which will be taking
place this September in Manchester.
There's a huge overlap in the interests of Research Software Engineers
and WSSSPE, so I thought it might be of interest if you're looking to
hold WSSSPE outside of the US.
Regards,
Simon.
Simon Hettrick
Deputy Director
The Software Sustainability Institute
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On 17/02/2016 08:53, Colin Venters wrote:
> Greetings from the McGill Bellairs Research Institute in Barbados
> where I am attending the 1st Modelling For Sustainability Workshop
> http://www.cs.mcgill.ca/~joerg/SEL/Sustainability_Bellairs_2016.html
> <http://www.cs.mcgill.ca/%7Ejoerg/SEL/Sustainability_Bellairs_2016.html> .
>
> I think there is still value in a WSSSPE meeting. Despite the slide
> outlining our planned activities for the week, so far we have written
> 2/3 of a paper for CACM and the scientific case for a Horizon 2020
> proposal or other suitable research funding call.
>
> I think the emphasis of WSSSPE4 should be on more focused work with
> the emphasis on producing tangible output(s) by the end. The current
> workshop I am at runs for 5 days with a start time of 08:30 and a
> finish time of 22:00. Granted there is a 3 hour break in the afternoon
> for lunch and fun, and a 1 hour break for dinner.
>
> I definitely need a holiday when I get back but feel a lot of
> satisfaction in all the hard work in producing tangible outputs.
>
> Personally, I think WSSSPE4 should be held in Barbados. :-)
>
> Best wishes
> Colin
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> *From:* WSSSPE [wssspe-bounces at lists.researchcomputing.org.uk] on
> behalf of Neil Chue Hong (SSI) [N.ChueHong at software.ac.uk]
> *Sent:* 17 February 2016 12:25
> *To:* Manish Parashar
> *Cc:* Working on Sustainable Software for Science: Practice and Experience
> *Subject:* Re: [WSSSPE] WSSSPE4
>
> I agree that there's still a purpose in holding WSSSPE meetings.
>
> I like Sou-Cheng's ideas (my personal preference would be for demos to
> be introduced with short 5 minute plenary slots, followed by a longer
> parallel session where people can ask questions/interact if they want to).
>
> I really like Michael's idea. I agree that a big issue with
> sustainability is the funding, and perhaps by working together more,
> we can become better at getting funding for the things we think
> collectively need it the most rather than a more scatter-gun approach.
>
> For those of us not in the US, can I make a plea for this to be
> located somewhere which is no more than one hop from a major US
> entry-hub, so that it's a two hop journey for international attendees?
>
> I also think that there should be a little more focus on the "doing"
> part of the meeting, where there's a selection of what the community
> thinks is most important ahead of time - the "what's going to kill us
> first" style of prioritisation - to enable participants to hit the
> ground running at the meeting. This might reduce the number of
> participants, as not everyone might be interested in the topic, but
> would ensure that we didn't spread ourselves too thin. Perhaps we
> could use the prioritisations from WSSSPE3 as a starting point?
>
> As for things we could do differently / in addition, two things come
> to mind (triggered by Lorraine's comments):
> - More case studies, including negative or even neutral ones. We
> should be able to provide pointers to practices in use and how they
> turned out
> - Create a list of evidence that will convince sceptics, and work
> together to tick off that list one by one
>
> For example:
>
> - Employing a trained software engineer on a scientific software
> project leads to long-term savings and increased related scientific
> output over hiring more untrained postdocs / students
>
> - If you have $10m this year to fund software in a specific area, when
> is it better to:
> a) Provide $10m to one project and ask all the others to merge with it
> or die
> b) Provide $2m to five projects to increase competition and innovation
> c) Provide short-fat funding to enable significant new functionality
> or refactoring
> d) Provide long-thin funding to enable retention of skills and ensure
> maintenance
> e) etc. etc.
>
> - Addressing fears over open-sourcing scientific software (we created
> a list of fears [1] as part of work on software development practice
> in the ELIXIR European Life Sciences consortium, along with initial
> attempts to address them, but it would be good to point to specific
> examples)
>
>
> Best regards,
> Neil
>
> [1] This is a draft for information only, and shouldn't be seen as
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> On 17 February 2016 at 10:27, Manish Parashar <parashar at rutgers.edu
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> wrote:
>
> Hi Dan,
>
> Agree with most of the comments — I think a focused event on Fall
> is a good idea and co-locating it with another event makes sense.
> Something on the east coast (DC) would be great.
>
> Two aspects I would like to see in the workshop is the role of
> sustainable software in reproducibility, and approaches/best
> practices in credit/attribution for software.
>
> Regards
>
> Manish
>
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>> Hi,
>>
>> Please let me know your thoughts about a WSSSPE4 meeting,
>> probably in the fall/autumn.
>>
>> What would you want such a meeting to accomplish, thinking of
>> what we’ve done previously and what new topics might have come up.
>>
>> Where should such a meeting take place?
>>
>> Should we do this along with any other event?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dan
>>
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>> Daniel S. Katz
>> University of Chicago
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