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Hello,<br>
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I was talking with Dan on Tuesday about co-hosting WSSSPE with the
UK's first Research Software Engineering Conference which will be
taking place this September in Manchester. <br>
<br>
There's a huge overlap in the interests of Research Software
Engineers and WSSSPE, so I thought it might be of interest if you're
looking to hold WSSSPE outside of the US.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Simon.<br>
<br>
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<div class="moz-signature">Simon Hettrick<br>
Deputy Director<br>
The Software Sustainability Institute<br>
<a href="https://twitter.com/softwaresaved">@SoftwareSaved</a><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 17/02/2016 08:53, Colin Venters
wrote:<br>
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<div>Greetings from the McGill Bellairs Research Institute in
Barbados where I am attending the 1st Modelling For
Sustainability Workshop <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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I think there is still value in a WSSSPE meeting. <span
style="font-size: 10pt;">Despite the slide outlining our
planned activities for the week, so far we have </span>written
2/3 of a paper for CACM and the scientific case for a Horizon
2020 proposal or other suitable research funding call.
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<div>I think the emphasis of WSSSPE4 should be on more focused
work with the emphasis on producing tangible output(s) by the
end. The current workshop I am at runs for 5 days with a start
time of 08:30 and a finish time of 22:00. Granted there is a 3
hour break in the afternoon for lunch and fun, and a 1 hour
break for dinner.</div>
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<div>I definitely need a holiday when I get back but feel a lot
of satisfaction in all the hard work in producing tangible
outputs.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Personally, I think WSSSPE4 should be held in Barbados. :-)</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Best wishes</div>
<div>Colin</div>
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on behalf of Neil Chue Hong (SSI)
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<b>Sent:</b> 17 February 2016 12:25<br>
<b>To:</b> Manish Parashar<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Working on Sustainable Software for Science:
Practice and Experience<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WSSSPE] WSSSPE4<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I agree that there's still a purpose in
holding WSSSPE meetings.
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<div>I like Sou-Cheng's ideas (my personal preference
would be for demos to be introduced with short 5
minute plenary slots, followed by a longer parallel
session where people can ask questions/interact if
they want to).</div>
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<div>I really like Michael's idea. I agree that a big
issue with sustainability is the funding, and perhaps
by working together more, we can become better at
getting funding for the things we think collectively
need it the most rather than a more scatter-gun
approach.</div>
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<div>For those of us not in the US, can I make a plea
for this to be located somewhere which is no more than
one hop from a major US entry-hub, so that it's a two
hop journey for international attendees?</div>
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<div>I also think that there should be a little more
focus on the "doing" part of the meeting, where
there's a selection of what the community thinks is
most important ahead of time - the "what's going to
kill us first" style of prioritisation - to enable
participants to hit the ground running at the meeting.
This might reduce the number of participants, as not
everyone might be interested in the topic, but would
ensure that we didn't spread ourselves too thin.
Perhaps we could use the prioritisations from WSSSPE3
as a starting point?</div>
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<div>As for things we could do differently / in
addition, two things come to mind (triggered by
Lorraine's comments):</div>
<div>- More case studies, including negative or even
neutral ones. We should be able to provide pointers to
practices in use and how they turned out</div>
<div>- Create a list of evidence that will convince
sceptics, and work together to tick off that list one
by one</div>
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<div>For example:</div>
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<div>- Employing a trained software engineer on a
scientific software project leads to long-term savings
and increased related scientific output over hiring
more untrained postdocs / students</div>
<div><br>
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<div>- If you have $10m this year to fund software in a
specific area, when is it better to:</div>
<div>a) Provide $10m to one project and ask all the
others to merge with it or die</div>
<div>b) Provide $2m to five projects to increase
competition and innovation</div>
<div>c) Provide short-fat funding to enable significant
new functionality or refactoring</div>
<div>d) Provide long-thin funding to enable retention of
skills and ensure maintenance</div>
<div>e) etc. etc.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>- Addressing fears over open-sourcing scientific
software (we created a list of fears [1] as part of
work on software development practice in the ELIXIR
European Life Sciences consortium, along with initial
attempts to address them, but it would be good to
point to specific examples)</div>
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<div><br>
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<div>Best regards,</div>
<div>Neil</div>
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<div>Agree with most of the comments — I think a
focused event on Fall is a good idea and
co-locating it with another event makes sense.
Something on the east coast (DC) would be
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<div>Two aspects I would like to see in the
workshop is the role of sustainable software in
reproducibility, and approaches/best practices
in credit/attribution for software.</div>
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<div>Please let me know your
thoughts about a WSSSPE4 meeting,
probably in the fall/autumn.</div>
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<div>What would you want such a
meeting to accomplish, thinking of
what we’ve done previously and
what new topics might have come
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<div>Where should such a meeting
take place?</div>
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<div>Should we do this along with
any other event?</div>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Dan</div>
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