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--></style></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>My view is that if co-locating with a Software Engineering conference, we’d want to try and get crossover of attendees from the conference who were interested in improving the sustainability of scientific software. That suggests at least partly an introductory session, but also that we should have some segment of working meeting to get people “hooked”.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>I don’t think that this would happen without promotion – my feeling from doing (with Jeff Carver) the more recent SE4Science workshops (co-located with ICSE) is that the participants consisted mostly a small subset of the SE community who already do some work in the area of scientific software (as opposed to SE for industry, SE for open source) along with people who come because they have a direct interest in scientific software. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>The other concern I’d have is the cost to attendees of participating if it was a working meeting only. This might just be an artefact of the fees for ICSE, which I think are prohibitive if only coming for a one day co-located workshop. Colin: are you able to indicate the rough cost to attendees of coming to ESEC/FSE?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Neil<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-family:Calibri;color:black'>WSSSPE <wssspe-bounces@lists.researchcomputing.org.uk> on behalf of "Katz, Daniel S" <dskatz@illinois.edu><br><b>Date: </b>Thursday, 2 November 2017 at 17:33<br><b>To: </b>Colin Venters <C.Venters@hud.ac.uk><br><b>Cc: </b>"Working on Sustainable Software for Science: Practice and Experience" <wssspe@lists.researchcomputing.org.uk><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [WSSSPE] Date/location of WSSSPE6 next year?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>If we did this, it looks like we would get 1 day. Does this seem right to you? <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>A more general question might be what we want to get out of the next event. A working meeting? An introductory meeting for the SE community that normally attends ESEC/FSE?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Dan<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Nov 1, 2017, at 11:48 AM, Colin Venters <<a href="mailto:C.Venters@hud.ac.uk">C.Venters@hud.ac.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>I would really like to see WSSSPE at a software engineering conference. We are too late for ICSE in 2018 but the call for workshops at the ACM Joint European Software Engineering Conference and Symposium on the Foundations of Software Engineering (ESEC/FSE) has not been announced.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Date: Sun 4 - Fri 9 November 2018<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Location: Lake Buena Vista, Florida, United States<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><a href="https://2018.fseconference.org/track/fse-2018-Workshops"><span style='color:purple'>https://2018.fseconference.org/track/fse-2018-Workshops</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Best wishes<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Colin<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>--<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-family:Calibri'>From:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></b><span style='font-family:Calibri'>WSSSPE <<a href="mailto:wssspe-bounces@lists.researchcomputing.org.uk"><span style='color:purple'>wssspe-bounces@lists.researchcomputing.org.uk</span></a>> on behalf of "Katz, Daniel S" <<a href="mailto:dskatz@illinois.edu"><span style='color:purple'>dskatz@illinois.edu</span></a>><br><b>Date:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Wednesday, 1 November 2017 at 13:55<br><b>To:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Erin Robinson <<a href="mailto:erinrobinson@esipfed.org"><span style='color:purple'>erinrobinson@esipfed.org</span></a>><br><b>Cc:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>"Working on Sustainable Software for Science: Practice and Experience" <<a href="mailto:wssspe@lists.researchcomputing.org.uk"><span style='color:purple'>wssspe@lists.researchcomputing.org.uk</span></a>><br><b>Subject:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Re: [WSSSPE] Date/location of WSSSPE6 next year?</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>I think this seems too soon after the 5.1 and 5.2 events.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Dan<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>On Oct 23, 2017, at 8:56 AM, Erin Robinson <<a href="mailto:erinrobinson@esipfed.org"><span style='color:purple'>erinrobinson@esipfed.org</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>We would be happy to colocate with ESIP in January 2018, if that is of interest to the group. ESIP will be Jan 9-11, 2018 in Bethesda, MD. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Details and call for session information are here: <a href="http://www.esipfed.org/meetings/upcoming-meetings/esip-winter-meeting-2018"><span style='color:purple'>http://www.esipfed.org/meetings/upcoming-meetings/esip-winter-meeting-2018</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Best, <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Erin<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 5:17 PM, Stephan Druskat <<a href="mailto:stephan.druskat@hu-berlin.de" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>stephan.druskat@hu-berlin.de</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Hi,<br><br>While we're at it, I'd be happy to help out with WSSSPE again for<br>release 6, but think we should consider running it just before RSE18<br>again, so probs in the autumn rather than the first half of '18?<br><br>Seems that alternative locations for RSE18 are considered, but don't<br>know whether that means in or outside of Manchester?<br><br>Cheers<br>Stephan<br><br>Am 19.10.2017 um 21:42 schrieb Katz, Daniel S:<br>> Nothing is set currently, as there have been no volunteers to organize.<br>><br>> Dan<br>><br>><br>>> On Oct 20, 2017, at 12:20 AM, Frank Loeffler <<a href="mailto:knarf@cct.lsu.edu"><span style='color:purple'>knarf@cct.lsu.edu</span></a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:knarf@cct.lsu.edu"><span style='color:purple'>knarf@cct.lsu.edu</span></a>>> wrote:<br>>><br>>> Hi<br>>><br>>> Is a possible date and location for a "WSSSPE6.x" already known,<br>>> something in the first half of next year?<br>>><br>>> Frank Loeffler<br>>><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> WSSSPE mailing list<br>>><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:WSSSPE@lists.researchcomputing.org.uk"><span style='color:purple'>WSSSPE@lists.researchcomputing.org.uk</span></a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:WSSSPE@lists.researchcomputing.org.uk"><span style='color:purple'>WSSSPE@lists.researchcomputing.org.uk</span></a>><br>>><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="http://lists.researchcomputing.org.uk/listinfo.cgi/wssspe-researchcomputing.org.uk" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>http://lists.researchcomputing.org.uk/listinfo.cgi/wssspe-researchcomputing.org.uk</span></a><br>><br>> -- <br>> Daniel S. Katz<br>> Assistant Director for Scientific Software and Applications, NCSA<br>> Research Associate Professor, CS<br>> Research Associate Professor, ECE<br>> Research Associate Professor, iSchool<br>> University of Illinois<br>><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="tel:%28217%29%20244-8000"><span style='color:purple'>(217) 244-8000</span></a><br>><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:d.katz@ieee.org"><span style='color:purple'>d.katz@ieee.org</span></a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><mailto:<a href="mailto:d.katz@ieee.org"><span style='color:purple'>d.katz@ieee.org</span></a>> or <a href="mailto:dskatz@illinois.edu"><span style='color:purple'>dskatz@illinois.edu</span></a><br>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:dskatz@illinois.edu"><span style='color:purple'>dskatz@illinois.edu</span></a>><br>><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="http://danielskatz.org/" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>http://danielskatz.org</span></a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><<a href="http://danielskatz.org/" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>http://danielskatz.org/</span></a>><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> WSSSPE mailing list<br>><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:WSSSPE@lists.researchcomputing.org.uk"><span style='color:purple'>WSSSPE@lists.researchcomputing.org.uk</span></a><br>><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="http://lists.researchcomputing.org.uk/listinfo.cgi/wssspe-researchcomputing.org.uk" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>http://lists.researchcomputing.org.uk/listinfo.cgi/wssspe-researchcomputing.org.uk</span></a><br>><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><br>_______________________________________________<br>WSSSPE mailing list<br><a href="mailto:WSSSPE@lists.researchcomputing.org.uk"><span style='color:purple'>WSSSPE@lists.researchcomputing.org.uk</span></a><br><a href="http://lists.researchcomputing.org.uk/listinfo.cgi/wssspe-researchcomputing.org.uk" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>http://lists.researchcomputing.org.uk/listinfo.cgi/wssspe-researchcomputing.org.uk</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>_______________________________________________<br>WSSSPE mailing list<br><a href="mailto:WSSSPE@lists.researchcomputing.org.uk"><span style='color:purple'>WSSSPE@lists.researchcomputing.org.uk</span></a><br><a href="http://lists.researchcomputing.org.uk/listinfo.cgi/wssspe-researchcomputing.org.uk"><span style='color:purple'>http://lists.researchcomputing.org.uk/listinfo.cgi/wssspe-researchcomputing.org.uk</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier'>-- </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier'>Daniel S. Katz</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier'>Assistant Director for Scientific Software and Applications, NCSA</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier'>Research Associate Professor, CS</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier'>Research Associate Professor, ECE</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier'>Research Associate Professor, iSchool</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier'>University of Illinois</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier'>(217) 244-8000</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'><a href="mailto:d.katz@ieee.org" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:purple'>d.katz@ieee.org</span></a></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier'> or <a href="mailto:dskatz@illinois.edu"><span style='color:purple'>dskatz@illinois.edu</span></a></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'><a href="http://danielskatz.org/"><span style='font-family:Courier;color:purple'>http://danielskatz.org</span></a></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:Helvetica'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;background:white'>University of Huddersfield inspiring tomorrow's professionals.</span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Helvetica'><br></span><span style='border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm'><img border=0 width=32 height=32 id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:Word%20Work%20File%20D_160071812.jpg" alt="mage removed by sender."></span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Helvetica'><br><br><span style='background:white'>This transmission is confidential and may be legally privileged. 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